Here's a great link from my bro explaining the heresy of "Oneness" Theology that is plaguing the church, especially the Pentecostal church.
There's one very strong argument that I must add in favor of the doctrine of the Trinity.
I haven't noticed this in any other debate between Trinitarians and the "Jesus only" group, so I figured I'd add this to further the truth.
In John 8:17, Jesus says, "It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true."
His reference is concerning the execution of accused murderers in Numbers 35:30: "Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die."
Three verses prior in John 8, we read that Jesus is dealing with the validity of His own word. "Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go."
So then Jesus acknowledges that He is bearing witness of himself. He is one witness to the truth of His doctrine. And in verse 14 He affirms that His record is true.
Now the question must be put forth, how is Christ's record valid according to the law, when it is only he who testifies of it? His doctrine can only be taken as true if another testifies of the same things.
Jesus then justifies his record according to the law in order to establish his own validity by lawful precedent: "And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me." and he continues after establishing the truth of the testimony of two men, "I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."
Oneness theology removes the validity of Christ's Word during his earthly ministry.
The law of testimony in Numbers 35 is grounded in the personhood of the witnesses, as shown by the text. Therefore the separate persons of the Father and the Son are the only means of justifying the words of the Son.
Jesus was not only referring to the testimonial law, but also to the actual testimony of the Father during His earthly ministry: "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."
At the birth of Christ's earthly ministry the Father testified of the Son:
"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt. 3:17)
"And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Mark 1:11)
Again, the Father testified of the Son at the mount of transfiguration, with the command to hear him:
"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him." (Matt 17:5)
"And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." (Mark 9:7)
"The best way to spot a fake, is to get to know the real thing" - Joe Pratt
Sunday, March 23, 2008
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
What ever happened to God's opinion about how church should be run? Ah, He never took a colligiate course in marketing, so we must know better.
Get 'em in the door and get 'em saved, but don't tell 'em what those old fashioned Christians are doing, because you don't want to push them away. If they knew what Jesus was really like, they would never reject the Gospel! Thus concludes the New part of the church building strategy.
The Ancient part builds validity with anyone concerned about traditional churchiness, all-important to establishing a valid denomination which out of feigned piety rejects denominationalism. The problem is, the old tooth pulling system has a monopoly on historical and theological validity. So how then does one trying to build a house on the sand make its foundation seem like that of the rock-founded teeth pullers? Get ahold of some of that old. Find certain rituals in the Bible, reinterpret them to be relevant to today's spiritualist, and do that in church! The best way to go about finding tradition which might give a place of truth seeking some Ancientness, is to borrow some from the catholics. When it comes to tradition, that's something they're good at. Catholic tradition, coffee, and pew-couches.
This concludes the New but Ancient portion of the encyclopedic entry on the Seeker Friendly Emergent Postmodern Church
p.s. (although the emergents don't like the seeker-friendlies, the most famous seeker church has now employed the emergents to give them an extreme makeover church edition, which means that many seekers will be emerging in the near future)
So here's the plan - I know some buhddists and some Hindus and some Rasta's. Sure, they're all Anglo European white people, but they're genuine seekers, and there's alot of truth in what they say. I mean, Who said the Bible has a monopoly on the truth? Come on people, if God wanted us to only find truth in the Bible, why would He have allowed all the other books in the world to exist? So let's find the Biblical truth through the words of their prophets. Food for thought. Here, play Frisbee across the church pew-couches while I not preach.
You know, instead of reading a sermon. What ever this is I do every Sunday when I get up in and talk to the meeting of seekers (congregation, for the old-fashionedist) in the pew-couches.... see how this New but Ancient thing works out?
I know, sarcastic... I'll tone it down a little later... but hopefully my point has been made.
The Ancient part builds validity with anyone concerned about traditional churchiness, all-important to establishing a valid denomination which out of feigned piety rejects denominationalism. The problem is, the old tooth pulling system has a monopoly on historical and theological validity. So how then does one trying to build a house on the sand make its foundation seem like that of the rock-founded teeth pullers? Get ahold of some of that old. Find certain rituals in the Bible, reinterpret them to be relevant to today's spiritualist, and do that in church! The best way to go about finding tradition which might give a place of truth seeking some Ancientness, is to borrow some from the catholics. When it comes to tradition, that's something they're good at. Catholic tradition, coffee, and pew-couches.
This concludes the New but Ancient portion of the encyclopedic entry on the Seeker Friendly Emergent Postmodern Church
p.s. (although the emergents don't like the seeker-friendlies, the most famous seeker church has now employed the emergents to give them an extreme makeover church edition, which means that many seekers will be emerging in the near future)
So here's the plan - I know some buhddists and some Hindus and some Rasta's. Sure, they're all Anglo European white people, but they're genuine seekers, and there's alot of truth in what they say. I mean, Who said the Bible has a monopoly on the truth? Come on people, if God wanted us to only find truth in the Bible, why would He have allowed all the other books in the world to exist? So let's find the Biblical truth through the words of their prophets. Food for thought. Here, play Frisbee across the church pew-couches while I not preach.
You know, instead of reading a sermon. What ever this is I do every Sunday when I get up in and talk to the meeting of seekers (congregation, for the old-fashionedist) in the pew-couches.... see how this New but Ancient thing works out?
I know, sarcastic... I'll tone it down a little later... but hopefully my point has been made.
Motivation
Here's to my buddy sean for good reason to write some truth... maybe someone will listen...
hilarious Youtube Video about the emergent/postmodern/megachurch prosperity preachers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb9DF16Fx8k
Sad, but true.
If "Seeker friendly" were in an encyclopedia, its definition ought to read as follows:
Grounded in the concept of the "Once Saved Always Saved" doctrine, the Seeker Friendly church offers a new perspective on Christianity: Church should be fun!
From this statement one might observe that those in the church who developed this method of spreading the good news felt that going to church was more like pulling teeth.
So the great salesmen behind this truth-diluting, i mean disseminating, system, had to find a way to pitch and hook Christians and Non-Christians alike. The plan: Christianity, New but Ancient.
Stay tuned, more to come
hilarious Youtube Video about the emergent/postmodern/megachurch prosperity preachers:
http://www.youtube.com/wat
Sad, but true.
If "Seeker friendly" were in an encyclopedia, its definition ought to read as follows:
Grounded in the concept of the "Once Saved Always Saved" doctrine, the Seeker Friendly church offers a new perspective on Christianity: Church should be fun!
From this statement one might observe that those in the church who developed this method of spreading the good news felt that going to church was more like pulling teeth.
So the great salesmen behind this truth-diluting, i mean disseminating, system, had to find a way to pitch and hook Christians and Non-Christians alike. The plan: Christianity, New but Ancient.
Stay tuned, more to come
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